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Post by Agai Lazen on May 19, 2014 9:17:21 GMT -4
I've told a lot of people about this already, so it's become pointless to keep it in PMs only.
Machine/Robot Purgatory is a system where a robot's AI is removed and put into an isolated database called the Holding Block, awaiting trial. Said database will appear like a jail cell to the AI. If the robot is found innocent, they are put back into their body and are free to go. If the robot is found guilty, then they can be sent to Robot Purgatory, a similar database to the Holding Block, with the exception of being designed to torment any AI within with an adjustable degree of intensity depending on the crime committed. Why is this necessary? Because if the AI is removed and simply left in storage for a while, it will seem as if no time has passed to the robot, meaning that it hasn't learned it's lesson. Robots are unique in that they (for the most part) can only feel emotional pain, and some individuals can only change when coerced. It's why Bender keeps getting an exponentially long rap sheet, he hasn't had much consequence when you look at robot prison. So yeah, punishment on robots without the death penalty.
Your thoughts, my fellow Tremortonians?
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Post by swoop on May 19, 2014 16:51:04 GMT -4
Wouldn’t robots with that have highly speed process reactions will make it those seconds in there into years or even decades? Their bodies can maintain for a long while but their mind will feel like it is solitary confinement.
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Post by Zero on May 19, 2014 20:49:47 GMT -4
Damn, I fell asleep watching Cosmos after I came back from work...
That can be both sensible and horrifying at the same time, and can bring up ethical issues. Most civilized societies don't torture their worse criminal offenders. As for Bender, I wouldn't count him since Futurama is purposely absurd.
Also, in what way is a robot's sentience any different from a human's in that it'd have to be treated different?
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Post by Agai Lazen on May 20, 2014 12:31:42 GMT -4
Keep in mind that most MLaaTR robots are exponentially stronger than humans, even Killgore can stop a hydraulic press meant to crush humans. With that power comes the responsibility of not abusing it and using it as an unfair advantage. Robot-on-human assault would be immensely more serious than human-on-human assault. With that comes the higher penalty of Machine Purgatory.
As for swoop, I believe processing power relies entirely on the hardware containing the AI, and not the AI itself. For example, in Portal 2 one of Potato Glados' insults is that she literally doesn't have the processing power to comprehend your blunder. That wouldn't be far from the truth.
Also, should we have a story or RP that explores Machine Purgatory?
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Post by Zero on May 21, 2014 19:22:10 GMT -4
I said sentience, not strength. You didn't really answer the question.
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Post by Agai Lazen on May 21, 2014 23:31:48 GMT -4
I wasn't intending to, I agree with you 100% on the fact that MLaaTR sentient robots have little difference from the human psyche. Unlike robots in most other universes, robots in MLaaTR actually maintain their personality and memories when reprogrammed, as shown when the evil Dr. Mog reprograms the X-J series. In other universes that would be a deciding factor in how sentient robots are treated, but here they are basically the same as metahumans.
My point was not to counter yours, but to overwrite it. Many people will abuse superpowers if given them, and the aforementioned immunity to pain and superpowers make imprisonment pointless. At the same time, there are characters like Superman and Elsa, who are simply born with these powers and know that said powers must be controlled. How would seemingly innocent characters be punished? The average policeman can't pull an Aang and simply take away those powers.
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Post by Armystuntman on May 22, 2014 6:00:09 GMT -4
I remember starting a story set in the MLAATR universe some years ago. It was set in a prison for robots that couldn't be permanently disabled, with heat-resistant and strong walls. (Lets face it, if robots are created to be so strong, then surely the materials that are used in the robots for durability can be used as walls. Armageddroid uses such walls and is pretty old compared to the rest of the robots.) The prison used neck-collar things that guards could activate to cause pain in the robots, either by frequency or electric shock, or whatever the respective weakness of the robot was. If an outbreak is attempted, or even a fight, the collars would be activated by the guards. The robots were forced to perform manual labor until they ran out of power. Pretty grim. Also, none of the equipment uses an AI chip, meaning the robots can't convince some mother-computer to free them, because there wasn't one. It was all about brute force to keep the robots down. It was for those hard-wired robots that the AI wasn't stored on just a single chip, but integrated throughout the whole system.
The idea that Agai proposed is actually pretty good, and is a great setting for a story/episode, especially if it detects the robot's fears and uses it. But of course it would only work if said robot has everything stored on one chip.
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Post by swoop on May 22, 2014 11:15:58 GMT -4
The method of prison being handled has been debated for a long while. The Marvel Comics had several like shrinking the prisoners or sending them to another dimension. You know the difference between jail and solitary confinement? Specifications need to be made for certain prisoners such as Gigawatt. out of 1-10 what level should your prison should be considered?
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Post by Agai Lazen on May 22, 2014 12:21:28 GMT -4
I'd put it at 1 on the grounds that A) I don't think Gigawatt is a robot, and B) If he escapes and shuts down the power source, it effectively kills all AI inside.
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