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Post by Kyubey the Incubator on Jun 15, 2012 20:19:48 GMT -4
Personally I hate DBZ. The characters are horrible, they look like understudy rejects for a Street Fighter or Tekken game to me. Plus some of their abilities aren't that awesome to me. Kinda like you do Agai, whenever the characters don't look appealing enough to me, than the whole series is ruined. Its how its always been for me. In fact, that's part of the reason why I hate My Little Pony too.
Back on the topic of Gundam. I've noticed that people reference Gundam a lot when it comes to comparing Mech series. I think that is saying something about its popularity. I'm not saying that automatically makes it good, but it is something to consider.
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Post by Agai Lazen on Jun 15, 2012 20:39:02 GMT -4
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Post by Agai Lazen on Jun 16, 2012 21:18:13 GMT -4
Back on the topic of Gundam. I've noticed that people reference Gundam a lot when it comes to comparing Mech series. I think that is saying something about its popularity. I'm not saying that automatically makes it good, but it is something to consider. And that's what pisses me off the most; People will always think of Gundam BEFORE everything else. Not Mazinger Z which perfected the super robot genre, not Getter Robo which perfected the idea of combining robots, not even Tetsujin 28 who started the whole robot thing to begin with. It's all Gundam.
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Post by Kyubey the Incubator on Jul 4, 2012 18:08:12 GMT -4
Hey, have you ever seen that Life-Sized Gundam statue in Japan? I have and it was quite a sight to behold.
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Post by Agai Lazen on Jul 4, 2012 18:14:26 GMT -4
Do NOT get me started. The best Mazinger Z ever got was a graffiti-ridden statue that's not even a tenth as big.
To be fair, Mazinger Z would tower over Gundam's 18m with a whopping 30m.
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Post by Kyubey the Incubator on Jul 4, 2012 20:09:57 GMT -4
I never said I didn't like that one. The Mazinger statue, though not as big, is just as awesome to me. It's more understandable though, since Mazinger is way more huge.
I wish they'd make stuff like this for Macross, Strike Witches, and Madoka though.
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Post by swoop on Sept 11, 2013 11:45:47 GMT -4
Gundam has it has moments but it kind makes me root for the bad guy as they are the ones that are actually trying. Gundams go by born warriors angle which kind of rolls my eyes as it shows the character are not strong heck some of them are considered blank slates. They are ani-social jerks that found justifiable cause for their actions. I get that they are harden by the wars but they seem like they can be easily taken out by more practical means. Yeah I get it war is hell but it seem more like tyranny is being the option. I hear bogus excuses saying that the gundam have many fail safe defenses and only those select few can operate one of them. That seems highly impractical and show plot is their armor not experience skills or the mechs. It seems like false maturity. I listen to a fan of it and he find the most loved character is usually the most terrible.
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Post by Agai Lazen on Jan 7, 2014 3:57:41 GMT -4
Okay, just watched the entirety of Gundam Age. And...I actually liked it. No, I REALLY liked it. What I really liked most about Gundam Age is that we see our main trio from birth and watch them grow up through their trials and into old age. Each main character grows both as a pilot and as a person, and it's inspiring to see them kickass against cutting-edge MS' with their outdated hunk-a-junk MS'. Our first lead, Flit Asuno, is probably the one that grows the most (since we spend the most time with him) and it's not all the growing in his generation while staying static any other time we see him. Instead, he still grows and learns well into his 80's, and still needs to overcome one last trial to end the century-long war that spans the series. What I like the most about the series is the mechanical design, it gives the series a real identity against the other repetitive Gundam series'. Not to mention that with each generation gap brings new, more advanced tech and MS' that actually look the part. I just let the first third of Gundam Age color my perception of the rest of the series, and I realize now that it was a mistake and I'm glad I went back to experience it. SO yeah, opinion 180!
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Post by swoop on Jan 7, 2014 10:16:59 GMT -4
You are over your grudge so that is good to hear. You found something you like about it. Just make sure do not obsess of it from liking or hating.
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Post by Kyubey the Incubator on Feb 21, 2015 12:02:21 GMT -4
Also another thing. Here's a couple reasons why I think people also prefer Gundam over Mazinger Z. - The Villains are more serious and cool.Like in Mazinger Z, we are treated to not so serious and intimidating villains like Dr Hell, who's basically just another Rita Repulsa/Queen Beryl clone. Like at the beginning of pretty much every Mazinger Episode, Dr Hell is shown at the start who is like in each episode " Hahahaha, I'll send this one of my Random Mechanical Beasts after them, it will be the best way to deal with those troublesome Photonic Laboratory heroes, and then I'll rule the world, BWA-HAHAHAHA!" Then when Koji and the others take down the random Mechanical Beast of the week, he goes like " Blast, how could that Mechanical Beast have lost? But I'll be back with another one, and next time You Heroes will Regret This," or something like that In Gundam, the bad guys are not like that. They are more serious and stuff, and they plan out complex military strategies and stuff, and organize large-scale assaults and more. They don't do stuff like Dr Hell does. - Better Sub-VillainsAlso, the sub villains of Gundam are more awesome and can be taken more seriously too. Like in Gundam, we have ones like Char, the awesome Red Comet, and feared pilot of the Zeon Army, who is a total badass! Mazinger on the other hand, we are treated to less badass ones like Baron Ashura, who is a Frankenstein-like monster created from the reanimated corpses of half a man and half a woman. Don't get me wrong, I personally liked Baron Ashura, but most people I know would find him/her to be a sub-villain who would make Skeletor from He-Man, or Destro from GI Joe, or Mumm Ra from Thundercats blush. - Robots that can be taken more seriouslyThe robots in Gundam are more detailed, sophisticated, and advanced, and cooler-looking than the robots in Mazinger Z. A lot of people I know could take something like this seriously. But they wouldn't take something like this seriously. Do you see the difference? Well, that's just my two cents on it.
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Post by Agai Lazen on Feb 21, 2015 19:49:25 GMT -4
That's not a fair comparison, Kyubey. The Sazabi is the ultimate final boss in the UC timeline, and you're comparing it to a fluke Kikaiju. Let's see some of the other flukes in Gundam, shall we? Like, for example, the plushie-esque Acguy. Oh, look! Big Zam! Or how about the Bull Gundam? And then there's this f*cking thing. But you know what? I don't care about that anymore. Because the reason I hated Gundam so much was that it missed the point of giant robots, and people have tried to capture that misdirection ever since. In case you don't know, giant humanoid robots are the least effective and most costly way to design a weapon. If you want to go for a realistic war robot, it most certainly will NOT have only two arms and legs, if at all. Diebuster best explained why we like humanoid robots in sci-fi. By trying to reinvent the goddamn wheel, Gundam has distracted so many people from why giant robots are so cool to begin with. Since Gundam, hundreds of shows have tried to copy its passive-agressive, bitter/not-so-sweet themes of war and suffering with more hilariously stupid results from each entry. This is why I liked Gundam Age despite it being panned by longtime fans. They got it right by having the Gundam as a symbol for salvation. I've forgiven Gundam for now, though, as it looks like they're getting back into the spirit of robots with Build Fighters. No wars, no people dying or going emo after the death of someone we barely knew, just the characters rallying behind their mecha, their partners. AS MECHA SHOULD BE.
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Post by Kyubey the Incubator on Feb 21, 2015 21:52:23 GMT -4
I see your point. I think I should've used a different one than Sazabi for comparison. Just edited it to show the Gouf instead, which would probably be better.
Also you did not take into account my points involving Dr Hell, Char, and Baron Ashura. Do you have anything to say about them?
As for Mazinger, well I've been mostly getting into the cuter spinoffs of the series, including Robot Girls Z, Mazinger Angels, and Mazinger Otome. Those are my favorites.
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