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Post by Agai Lazen on Feb 17, 2012 1:01:08 GMT -4
I F*CKING hate Gundam. I'm basically going off on a tangent and vent all of my rage here as I watch the original 0079 series and Gundam AGE. Hopefully, some of you can relate, and point me to a series (not a novel series, mind you, since I can't read japanese) that is void of these flaws or at least lack a large number of them, as unlikely as it is.
Here are some problems that p*ss me off on Gundam overall. Notice that I'll be swearing quite a lot.
-The mech design is irritatingly redundant
-The character archetypes barely deviate from the original Amuro and supporiting cast
-When they do it's usually an extremely annoying b*tch or a completely blank slate
-Haro is the world's ugliest mascot and yet EVERY GUNDAM SERIES EVER persist to shove Haro's green robo-sh*tball d*ck up our a$$es as if he's the cutest thing ever
-Beam Funnels are extremely over-used
-It tries to be a real-robot series, even though most Gundams have GOD-LIKE POWER
-Fans insist on being pure to the 0079 themes, which makes each new series more and more 25-minute adds for 0079
-It's extremely hard to get invested with characters and the plot, nothing about them makes me relate or sympathize (when I'm supposed to), and nothing leaves a lasting impression
-It tried to go on about war and realistic strategy, when most of the strategies used are actually supremely inefficient and would lead to assured DEATH.
I may be looking nitpicky, but when Gundam is king of mecha anime and it obviously doesn't deserve the title, I get a little stabby. Especially when shows like Dual and GaoGaiGar fade into absolute obscurity because Gundam has a new series out.
It's like if Albert Fish were to become the Pope...actually, that would make way too much sense, bad example.
It's like when Obama signed the NDAA after promising to veto it; a president is supposed to represent the decisions and opinions of the people, and to make decisions that will help the country for the better. Instead the @$$hole entitled for presidency turned a country that is supposed to be "Land of the Free" into a fascist police state run by rich people who just got lucky and know nothing about governing or even running a business.
Similarly, an anime series that stays on top of all the others is something that should represent what anime does right and what the others should be. Instead, we got Gundam. Gun-DAMMIT.
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Post by swoop on Feb 17, 2012 21:34:34 GMT -4
If you are going use an example make it easy for everyone to get. Don’t make it two rants it divert topic and don't be political unless that is your big subject you are ranting about. I think you may like 08th MS Team it as close to the military as they can get. G Gundam is when they decide to be as over the top like Dragonball series. They go by international dual to decide who has control of the world. Yes they went with the plot of fighting games. You may find it amusing. I am just giving you options that you may find ok. I am more of a transformers fan. I too think it is overrated
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Post by Agai Lazen on Jun 12, 2012 15:38:37 GMT -4
What a disgraceful and disgusting piece of sh!t. Kawamori, what have they done to you!? This is a real disappointment. With how much a great transformation ZZ Gundam was, and with how Gundam Age is trying to emulate the first three years of Gundam, you'd think they'd come up with something that's at least presentable. But no, we got the Age 3 Normal. The core fighter doesn't even become the core, just the head and backpack. Still at least they actually hid the head, unlike the Arios, Kyrios, and the GN Archer. Sure, when it comes to transforming anything the Gundams do, the Transformers can do better, but at least they tried. Now they're just giving up with this ugly piece of sh!t.
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Post by Agai Lazen on Jun 12, 2012 16:07:03 GMT -4
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Post by Kyubey the Incubator on Jun 12, 2012 17:23:51 GMT -4
I personally like Gundam somewhat, except for G Gundam. In the others it was actually an all-out war. G Gundam made the warfare look more like a sport, with pre-built arenas and referees and all. It didn't seem right in Gundam.
I like the other series better. Used to watch them all the time on Toonami. Loved the action. Favorites have to be Gundam Seed and SD
Also I barely see Beam Funnels ever used in the series I watch. They are totally not overused. The closest thing I've ever seen to a beam funnel in anything other than Gundam is the Option Units in Gradius, and the Wonder Bits in Cosmic Break. Nothing else though.
Also have you heard of the new Gundam Online game, SD Gundam Capsule Fighter?
Also I totally dislike robots that are only effective in combiner state. Ones like the Power Rangers Megazords, Voltron, and the like. I mean what happens if one goes missing, then the whole thing is screwed. It seems so inconvenient and less logical. Gundam doesn't have these much though. Most of the mobile suits can easily be a formidable force without having to merge with 2 or so other units.
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Post by Agai Lazen on Jun 12, 2012 20:17:41 GMT -4
I haven't bothered with SD Capsule Fighter because I dislike chibies and you can't customize the MS.
Combining? Like the original RX 78-2, or the Impulse Gundam, or the 00 Gundam, or the Age 3 Gundam, or the Strike Gundam? Yeah, NONE of those combine. They just transform and ram together, holding on to each other with friction in a pathetic attempt to be ready for combat!
Combining can be justified as this: when separated, the units only have thier own power supplies/generators and can only use that. When combined, they share the power sources of the other units, and some units have special abilities that their current power sources won't allow usage of without combining unless mobility or functionality is to be sacrificed.
And let's not forget the robot that perfected the combining concept, Getter Robo. The advantage of Getter Robo is that the units can combine into three different formations, each with their own unique advantages, and if one unit is eliminated the Getter Robo can still be created. Plus, the combining happens extremely fast, so separation can be used to dodge attacks. These advantages are best shown off here, as two Getter robots face off:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kC03s48zFM4&feature=related [/youtube]
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Post by Kyubey the Incubator on Jun 12, 2012 20:30:22 GMT -4
Well you didn't say anything on my thing about Beam Funnels. Personally, I barely see them used at all, so they aren't an overused concept.
Also, is there something you have against Cutesyness and cuddlyness and lovableness? I personally fall head over heels for that stuff. Why do you hate things being adorable like this?
And about the combiner thing. What I meant is that most times, they are useless on thier own, like the Voltron tigers and power ranger vehicles.
However I admit there are some that do it right, when the individual units don't always rely on the others and still pose a significant threat on their own. Transformers such as Devastator or Menasor or the Minicon Star Saber are good examples of this, since the individual units are still not pushovers without the others. Also the Getter Robo ones also are a good example.
Also I liked SD Gundam a ton too. Cutesyness and Chibiness and Moe'ness is something I barely ever can resist. Also they had more rivaling factions, such as La'Croa, Musha, and Dark Axis. SD also used more supernatural and magic based stuff in it too, which is good. Gundams such as Zero, Ashurnramaru, Emperor Talgeese and a few others were shown using magic in combination with their futuristic tech, and that makes them all the cooler.
Oh and let's not forget Mobile Armors. Those were rather awesome to me, due to thier less humanoid look contrasting from the others, and the almost Alien-like feeling to them. You know, such ones like Bigro, Zakorello, Big Zam, and others. I loved the Mobile armor units in Gundam, they were so unique.
And also, Power Rangers. I never liked Power Rangers because it didn't seem awesome enough, and is almost stupidly repetitive. It's repetitive in an annoying way I dislike, sort of like Pokemon or Kirby Right Back At Ya is, which I also dislike. In fact, this cycle sums up every episode of every Power Rangers series in a nutshell. -Power Rangers do some random stuff -Head Honcho bad guy (Rita, Grumm, etc) plots in his secret hideout and sends out one of his various random monsters, usually one that fits the situation. -Power Rangers see the monster attack, change to Ranger form, and fight the monster and other minions. -Power Rangers use teamwork and slay the monster. -Head Honcho bad guy then revives the monster and makes him grow as big as a skyscraper. -Rangers form the Megazord. -Rangers fight the giant monster in the Megazord. Monster explodes. -Rangers all head back to base and Head Honcho plots his next move -Repeat for next episode.
See what I mean Agai?
Also Agai, I have a question. Someone told me that in Getter Robo Armageddon, they are against this machine parasite race of some sort that infected some of thier best mechs. What do these parasite things look like, and the infected beings of theirs? Also what are they called and what is their motives and stuff? I usually am a fan of series involving a force of parasitic body-jackers of some sort. Hence one of the reasons why I like Strike Witches (the Neuroi are like that) and Metroid (for enemies such as the Ing and Phazon). Tell me more about the ones in Getter Robo Armageddon.
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Post by Agai Lazen on Jun 12, 2012 21:55:56 GMT -4
Agai, I have a question. Someone told me that in Getter Robo Armageddon, they are against this machine parasite race of some sort that infected some of thier best mechs. What do these parasite things look like, and the infected beings of theirs? Also what are they called and what is their motives and stuff? I usually am a fan of series involving a force of parasitic body-jackers of some sort. Hence one of the reasons why I like Strike Witches (the Neuroi are like that) and Metroid (for enemies such as the Ing and Phazon). Tell me more about the ones in Getter Robo Armageddon. Well, they're not very well-defined. All I can say for certain is that they constantly mutate and there's no way of finding who is "infected" until it's too late. Beyond that, all you need to know is shown in the first two minutes of the first episode. The ending doesn't make a lick of sense, though, as satisfying as it is. So be prepared for that. Also, do NOT expect anything cutesy and cuddly. I like this series, that should be an indication. Wait, did you say I don't like cutesy stuff because I think Haro is ugly? What, are you BLIND!? He's the ugliest 'cute' mascot I've seen since AVP:R!!
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Post by Kyubey the Incubator on Jun 12, 2012 23:26:05 GMT -4
I said you dislike cutesy and moe'ness because you said you hate things such as SD Gundam, Lucky Star, Strike Witches and other Mecha Musume stuff, and other such stuff many times, mostly due to the cuteness and chibi stuff. You also told me you hate cutesy and cuddly and moe' on Deviant Art, like when I asked you about Dead Leaves.
Also what about the Gundam Games? Dynasty Gundam Warriors is super frickkin awesome, and don't forget Gundam battlers. The only Gundam game I really disliked was Gundam Crossfire.
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Post by Agai Lazen on Jun 13, 2012 13:36:34 GMT -4
I never said I hated Lucky Star, it's one of my favorite shows, and I told you to stay away from Dead Leaves because it lacked all the cutesy stuff that you are hopelessly addicted to. STOP MAKING ASSUMPTIONS. It's really pissing me off.
Dynasty Gundam gets boring after a while, never heard of Gundam battlers, and yes, Gundam Crossfire was a pretty sh!tty game. There's also Gundam: Encounters in Space, which is really hard to undestand and hard to play in general.
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Post by swoop on Jun 15, 2012 15:05:39 GMT -4
The transformation figure let’s face look silly including the Zero Gundam. The best ones can hopefully compare first generation of transformers before the TV series. Now if they were to be silly Like Power Rangers to be campy that will be one thing. I like campy but most of the time Gundam isn’t. It’s usually gray versus gray with dark tones and damage to everyone during the war. This narrative is great to make it stand out but most of the characters to non-Gundam fan would not give a dam. Their hard boild personalities make them one dimensional. I can take little or no personality characters like Robocop but I see nothing worth talking about in Gundam. They try being realistic but uncanny valley is big. Most of the all powerful mechs are usually driven by overly pretty metro boys with as much emotion as their mechs and the girls that are crazy pretty with bloodlust. They usually some garbage that you have be mcguffin which is getting old. I say most since there are exceptions but that is the problem the ones that are exceptions but they are not enough. I suggest G Gundam since it deviates from the source. The warfare was change to a sport. It reduces casualties and property damages. The wars did take a heavy toll on everything. This makes them follow Zoids path which is a great idea. Kyubey most of the Gundam games are either second rate to just plain garbage and you should play better games. I you suggest Zone of the Enders which felt like anime melodrama mechs done right.
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Post by Kyubey the Incubator on Jun 15, 2012 16:16:11 GMT -4
I do play Zone of the Enders. In fact, my fav robot in Z.O.E. is Vic Viper because he is based on the spaceship from one of my favorite classic games, Gradius. I also liked ANUBIS and NEITH and JEHUTY in that one too.
Also the action is really awesome too. I mean look at how well they show the fleet battles and destruction sequences and stuff in Gundam. Not even Star Wars's fleet battles and stuff are that awesome looking.
But then again, Sonic X, Strike Witches, and Maho Shoujo Madoka Magika have way more epic and satisfying battles and combat scenes. Which is one of the reasons why they outdo Gundam for me.
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Post by Agai Lazen on Jun 15, 2012 18:06:10 GMT -4
Sonic X? I admired the show for the Mazinger Z parody episode and Tails' romance, but that's it. The battles were shoddy peices of chopped-up animation, recycled animation, and better yet, stills that are just slid over to make the appearance of movement. Some of the effects, like Sonic's spinball attack were pretty cool, but that alone can't save the show.
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Post by Kyubey the Incubator on Jun 15, 2012 20:00:37 GMT -4
Sonic X? I admired the show for the Mazinger Z parody episode and Tails' romance, but that's it. The battles were shoddy peices of chopped-up animation, recycled animation, and better yet, stills that are just slid over to make the appearance of movement. Some of the effects, like Sonic's spinball attack were pretty cool, but that alone can't save the show. I thought you said you liked it? You told me the Metarex were awesome in it and you liked the other Eggman's robots and stuff. I personally think it is the best anime I've ever seen. The Cutesyness is unimaginably high (characters like Cosmo, Amy, Cream and others are even cuter than all the Touhou girls, which is saying something). Plus the battles were awesome to me. Most animes ive seen only spend like 5 minutes in battle scenes. Sonic X, on average, the fights would take half an episode to a whole episode, and sometimes the battles would span multiple ones. The combat looked super sweet too. Also the series knows how to make a super epic and climatic finale. Those final battles with foes like E-99 Egg Exterminator and The Biolizard were so exciting and memorable for me. Especially with the super form finish and the massive stuff happening. The first and second season was a little lacking, but the third was the best. In Season 3, they aren't against Eggman', but instead an alien force known as the Metarex. The Metarex are biomechanical entities of near omnipotent power who wish to "regulate the disarray of species evolution." They are some of the coolest villains yet, for their galaxy-wide genocide and their motives, plus their variants and all. It was like Sonic meets Halo, Mass Effect, Half-Life, and Metroid in that part, with a bit of Star Fox Esque space warfare too, mixed with a ton of crack. Not only that, but season 3 had Cosmo in it, who is the cutest thing ever. No other character can match Cosmo's utmost Cutesyness, in fact, I am surprised I haven't seen someone have a heart attack from her immense adorableness. Well Agai, I hope that explains why Sonic X and Sonic in general is the Número Uno series on my list of favorites.
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Post by Agai Lazen on Jun 15, 2012 20:11:21 GMT -4
A lot of your points are valid, but I still have to fault the show on the action scenes. Sure, they last a long time, but DBZ has shown us that just because a battle lasts long doesn't mean it's good, and DBZ had an adequate animation budget!
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