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Post by OT on Apr 8, 2008 21:30:33 GMT -4
you're right, my bad. this was going to turn into a fight though, i'm sure of it. i was a bit hasty, but still. i'm going to reread this entire thread and see if i can't work everything out, alright? I have no intentions of starting a fight with anyone on this forum, and that includes XJ-0. I just want to know my rights. If I have the right to complain if an admin or moderator locks one of my threads that doesn't break the official rules of this site. If I can go safe making threads in the forum knowing that if another cleanup would come the public would have a say in it. If I have any rights. I recognize that XJ-0 is the ultimate authority on this site and I respect that. But in the words of one, with great power comes great responsibilities. However from what I've heard so far Zero doesn't seem to agree with that, and I want to know if that assumption is true or false.
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Post by Tim on Apr 8, 2008 21:34:01 GMT -4
it seems, judging by his last post, that XJ-0's new policy is "my way or the highway". yeah, that's real smart.
you may be right OT. we may end up with no rights at all.
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Post by Zero on Apr 8, 2008 21:34:10 GMT -4
*ahem* You told me this would not be a forum without members. I meant change happens. I meant they would stay because they don't have a problem with the site. If they don't agree, fine. Most likely they will leave on their own. I don't have to do anything unless I really need to, like in the case of trolls. The site is what you all make of it. Your rights are intact. The responsibility on me is to make sure your rights are not violated by others. It's MY headache. The members should enjoy the site, not stress over it like I have to. To answer your first question, I felt taken advantage of by the trolls. I was also bothered by the stone cold silence of my supporters(if some did defend me, sorry I may have missed it). If you see something wrong and you don't say anything, that is tacit. I understand you don't want to offend me. I just want to be clear.
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Post by Tim on Apr 8, 2008 21:37:19 GMT -4
I meant they would stay because they don't have a problem with the site. If they don't agree, fine. Most likely they will leave on their own. I don't have to do anything unless I really need to, like in the case of trolls. translation: my way or the highway
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Post by Zero on Apr 8, 2008 21:41:44 GMT -4
That's a severe mistranslation.
I made a lot of changes for everyone and you KNOW it. I'm not completely closed up. I'm just cracking down on trolls.
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Post by OT on Apr 8, 2008 21:48:00 GMT -4
I was also bothered by the stone cold silence of my supporters(if some did defend me, sorry I may have missed it) I didn't know if there was anything I could do. I'm just plain user.Sorry, I misinterpreted that post. I just took it for granted that you would let such slander just roll off you, but sometimes words hurt more than you can imagine. I don't have to do anything unless I really need to, like in the case of trolls. See, here is where we disagree. You feel you don't have to lift a finger unless something comes across that violates the Proboards rules. I feel you should have a responsibility to the members. As if the members are unhappy with a rule and wants it changed, you should listen to them.
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Post by Tim on Apr 8, 2008 21:56:22 GMT -4
you've also left no room for anyone to have a problem with the rules and hope to stay here. already, people are concerned that you may ban me for speaking out.
i'll tell you this: in your fight with Ryota, i've defended you thus far. i haven't taken sides on the thing, but i saw you as being in the right when he started flaming.
now, however, his gross exagerations about you are becoming reality(the ones on the rules and such, not any of the remarks he made). you're creating a place that, while peaceful, leaves very little room to move around in. i've drawn comparisons of this to certain governments, the likes of which do this: if someone says something in complaint about the government, or protests the government when things start becoming unfair to the point of cruelty, they get dragged out of their houses and shot.
of course, it's not anywhere near that bad now, but it's coming. i write this, thinking to myself the entire time, "i might get banned for this," and, "if i get banned for stating an opinion, what's to stop it from happening to anyone else?"
what say you to that, XJ-0? here i am, a member who's afraid at this very moment that he's going to get banned for the first time ever from a site, simply because i questioned your decision. what say you? can you belay my fears, or confirm them?
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Post by OT on Apr 8, 2008 22:03:29 GMT -4
Ok Tim, you might be overreacting a little bit there. I've openly questioned Zero's decisions in the past and I'm still alive! Most of the times it was other mods that would jump in and view our discussions as "fights" and wanting to lock it, instead of the man himself. But I'm glad you speak your mind.
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Post by Zero on Apr 8, 2008 22:04:30 GMT -4
This is why this is a sensitive subject.
Guys, my ear is always open. I'll listen, but you have to understand my position too.
Don't be afraid of me.
I just want you to be happy. That's all I ever want for everyone, ever since Tremorton High fell. I've been holding on ever since, and I could have never done it without you.
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Post by OT on Apr 8, 2008 22:10:04 GMT -4
I don't have to do anything unless I really need to, like in the case of trolls. See, here is where we disagree. You feel you don't have to lift a finger unless something comes across that violates the Proboards rules. I feel you should have a responsibility to the members. As if the members are unhappy with a rule and wants it changed, you should listen to them. So how do you stand on this?
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Post by Tim on Apr 8, 2008 22:10:49 GMT -4
Ok Tim, you might be overreacting a little bit there. I've openly questioned Zero's decisions in the past and I'm still alive! Most of the times it was other mods that would jump in and view our discussions as "fights" and wanting to lock it, instead of the man himself. But I'm glad you speak your mind. that was in the past. this is today. he set these rules now. they weren't here before. and i'm perfectly serious. there is already someone who is afraid i might be banned for what i'm saying. and Zero, it's hard not to be afraid when a member who's been here longer than me thinks i could be banned. what can you say to that?
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Post by OT on Apr 8, 2008 22:13:31 GMT -4
and i'm perfectly serious. there is already someone who is afraid i might be banned for what i'm saying. and Zero, it's hard not to be afraid when a member who's been here longer than me thinks i could be banned. what can you say to that? Well I don't wanna jump inbetween, but what I would say to that is that that member is overreacting. And I think it might be *********.
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Post by Zero on Apr 8, 2008 22:13:36 GMT -4
See, here is where we disagree. You feel you don't have to lift a finger unless something comes across that violates the Proboards rules. I feel you should have a responsibility to the members. As if the members are unhappy with a rule and wants it changed, you should listen to them. So how do you stand on this? To come to an understanding both sides must be willing to see through each others eyes. I'll listen, but I have Proboards to keep in line with. Also, what is allowed on this forum will reflect on me and my character. I'll listen, but take me into consideration too, okay?
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Post by Zero on Apr 8, 2008 22:14:44 GMT -4
Ok Tim, you might be overreacting a little bit there. I've openly questioned Zero's decisions in the past and I'm still alive! Most of the times it was other mods that would jump in and view our discussions as "fights" and wanting to lock it, instead of the man himself. But I'm glad you speak your mind. that was in the past. this is today. he set these rules now. they weren't here before. and i'm perfectly serious. there is already someone who is afraid i might be banned for what i'm saying. and Zero, it's hard not to be afraid when a member who's been here longer than me thinks i could be banned. what can you say to that? You're overreacting. Your comments are getting results.
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Post by OT on Apr 8, 2008 22:16:01 GMT -4
Of course you are taken into consideration, this should apply to all members, and that includes you. Also it should be recognized that Proboards rules are etched in stone, but "our" rules should be flexible if there's public demand for it. That I endorse fully.
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