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Post by Power9x on Jul 31, 2009 0:25:06 GMT -4
Let's face it: Most fanfiction is inheriantly flawed.
Fanfiction has always been a deposit box for the ideas and daydreams of stories by fans. By making them concrete and on paper, they can express those daydreams and bring them to life. Unfortunately, good fanfiction is hard to come by, and even then there can be flaws, one of which is what I call "Fananitus" (Cheesy, I know, but give me a better name for this), which is where a piece of fanfiction doesn't replicate the feel and structure of the show well. Be it OOC moments, or elements that don't fit in the normal universe, most fanfiction comes off feeling like non-canon transpher of a daydream into paper, which is fitting because of the nature of most fics (and, yes, I am majorly guilty of this).
But, this usually hinders one of the greatest strengths in fanfiction: the ability for the fans to continue where a series left off, and be able to create a continuity that goes beyond the normal series. Though, most of the time when this is used it infects the continuity with Fananitus. Now, Tremorton's continuity's been pretty good, but never what I'm truely looking for...
Tl;Dr, what if a fic was made that seemed like it could genuinely be part of the show?
I have said many a time on these threads that the series deserves a proper ending, and that ending is obviously not going to come of the show's creative staff, unfortunately. So, my basic idea is to create a fic with no OCs, no AUs, and no OOC moments, and try to finish the series properly (and open it up to fan support and AUs (Lead in to Tremorton continuity? IDK)).
Any comments? Do you think it could be done? Do you think I could do it, or that a more experienced writer should take it on? How would you do it? How do you think Rob would end it? Will you all just ignore this thread (Actually, probably)?
Signed, Aidan (Power9x)
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Post by Zoomer on Jul 31, 2009 0:52:01 GMT -4
I will come forward to say that I am not worthy of even attempting such a feat. It just won't be original, well thought-out, or well written.
With that said, it needs to be all of those things. It will need to have a seamless integration into the storyline...it needs to acknowledge things that have occured, pay homage to the past, so to speak. It will need to have an explanation of unanswered questions (although I suppose that gets into fanservice territory, with such things as: Does Jenny end up with Brad? Does Brad end up with Melody?).
It also needs to be done in the style of the rest of the series.
So, you've got quite a tall order there. We'll see if anybody here thinks they're up to it (or maybe a collab? <_<).
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Post by Power9x on Jul 31, 2009 1:05:15 GMT -4
I will come forward to say that I am not worthy of even attempting such a feat. It just won't be original, well thought-out, or well written. With that said, it needs to be all of those things. It will need to have a seamless integration into the storyline...it needs to acknowledge things that have occured, pay homage to the past, so to speak. It will need to have an explanation of unanswered questions (although I suppose that gets into fanservice territory, with such things as: Does Jenny end up with Brad? Does Brad end up with Melody?). It also needs to be done in the style of the rest of the series. So, you've got quite a tall order there. We'll see if anybody here thinks they're up to it (or maybe a collab? <_<). I did want to do it, but in retrospective it'd be too daunting, and most of my errors of the past have been relying too much on the crutches I want to remove. I was thinking JxS and BxM, just because it seems the show was set up that way (and Retz said in an interview that he'd end it JxS). Zero'd probably be the best for the job if it was solo, due to his ability to work with continuities and overall stylistics the best (even if I get lost occasionally within the vast OC continuity he usually writes with).
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Post by Zoomer on Jul 31, 2009 1:14:25 GMT -4
I agree. ;D
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Post by Zero on Aug 6, 2009 18:15:43 GMT -4
Teenage Robot Tremorton Continuity is my latest attempt at this. It's public, which means you can add any events you want to it so as long as you don't contradict others. I compile it depending on what users give me.
Also, the events are added only if the users agree to it, or want to be a part of it. Response has been good so far.
The MLaaTR series is a part of it, set at the years 2067 and 2069 AD.
You'll notice that any OCs in it are openly active before or after the series, so there is no contradictions with it.
We can certainly implement a MLaaTR finale without using any OCs. But of course this is optional. No one HAS to use this continuity. I created it due to my obsession with organization and fan harmony, especially in RPs.
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Post by Power9x on Aug 6, 2009 18:24:58 GMT -4
Teenage Robot Tremorton Continuity is my latest attempt at this. It's public, which means you can add any events you want to it so as long as you don't contradict others. I compile it depending on what users give me. Also, the events are added only if the users agree to it, or want to be a part of it. Response has been good so far. The MLaaTR series is a part of it, set at the years 2067 and 2069 AD. You'll notice that any OCs in it are openly active before or after the series, so there is no contradictions with it. We can certainly implement a MLaaTR finale without using any OCs. But of course this is optional. No one HAS to use this continuity. I created it due to my obsession with organization and fan harmony, especially in RPs. I'm actually pondering a plot that would open the way for OCs, and hell, even a TRS style thing, but it's rudimentary at the moment, and I haven't decided wheither or not to resolve the romance aspect yet.
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Post by Zero on Aug 6, 2009 22:20:54 GMT -4
I think we're doing fine the way we are now. TRS used too much control. It would be better to let the fans have their creative freedom.
You can go through with your idea, but I don't know how many will go for it.
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Post by Power9x on Aug 6, 2009 22:24:24 GMT -4
Well, this is just a fic, and no I'm not trying to set up an entire saga or anything like that. I was just refering to the fact the ending I'm thinking up opens itself to fan continuities. This is primarily a fic for the show.
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Post by Zero on Aug 6, 2009 22:30:43 GMT -4
So it's just a one shot fic?
And we already have fan continuities, so you wouldn't be doing anything new.
Um, my guess is you want to do a co-written MLaaTR finale?
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Post by Power9x on Aug 6, 2009 22:38:15 GMT -4
Kinda. Like I said, there's been alot of fics out there but none have captured the feel of the show. I wanted to do a fic that felt like it'd be an authetic ending. Kinda my own personal wrap-up. But, trying to replicate the feel of the show's really the challenge, not writing the fic, so the possiblities of collabing are up there.
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Post by Shelltoon on Aug 6, 2009 23:51:05 GMT -4
It would be tough, but I'd be glad to try to help offer some notes on proof reading and making a few notes before we actually finalize a draft to put online for everyone to see. We just need some place to meet.
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Post by Zero on Aug 7, 2009 12:27:20 GMT -4
Here's a plot I came up with a while back:
Opening- Graduation day at Tremorton High. Vega crashes into the ceremony.
Plot 1. Civil war on Cluster Prime. - Jenny decides to help Vega. - Factions: Vega VS Smytus. - Climaxes with the return of a more powerful Vexus(Giga Vexus).
Plot 2. Galactic War. - Vexus' grab for power extends from Cluster Prime. - Various extraterrestrials and other characters from the series become entwined. - Giga Vexus is defeated by a united effort. - Climaxes with Vexus suddenly being depowered and the revelation that she was controlled by a source from earth.
Plot 3. Endgame - Nora Wakeman is missing upon Jenny's return to earth. - Sheldon tracks the signal that controlled Vexus to a remote mountain region. - There is a hidden fortress with Dr. Locus. - Dr. Locus has Nora in captivity for the sadistic purpose of making her watch the fall of her daughter. - The fortress is assaulted all the XJ Sisters. - When confronted Dr. Locus strikes back with a Shell-type battle armor based on the XJ's with the addition of Jenny's armament. The XJs are no match. - The occurring battle takes everyone back to Tremorton, where Silver Shell,Misty, Vega and Skyway Patrol join the fray. - Dr. Locus is ultimately defeated by his own daughter, Melody.
Ending- Graduation and conclusion.
Connecting the plots: -The civil war on Cluster Prime was meant to get Jenny away from earth, so Dr. Locus can begin his plan. - The galactic war was meant to weaken or destroy any potential threats to Locus' plan. - During Jenny's leave from earth, Locus was able to kidnap Nora and begin creating his XJ-Shell battle suit.
It could be JennyxSheldon( following Renzetti's intentions), but leaving those feeling ambiguous can leave it open for further fanon.
The story can, or should, end with Jenny giving a speech reflecting on her life and looking to the future. Her words would make an opening for, and inspire, a whole new generation of robots and heroes, who ultimately would be our OCs, though we won't actually mention them by name.
How to write it together: When Jessie and I wrote Requitted, we used AIM to post each character's lines and actions(I as Zero and she as Jessie). We took turns posting, and I combined each post into a single text file that made the story complete. It worked out very well, and the story was completed fast. We can definitely use the same format do do this, which each of us(who are participating) using single characters.
Well, that's how I would do it.
As for the plot I wrote, I'll leave that for you to decide. If you don't want to use it, I don't mind. It's just a suggestion.
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Post by Power9x on Aug 7, 2009 20:54:06 GMT -4
Here's a plot I came up with a while back: Opening- Graduation day at Tremorton High. Vega crashes into the ceremony. Plot 1. Civil war on Cluster Prime. - Jenny decides to help Vega. - Factions: Vega VS Smytus. - Climaxes with the return of a more powerful Vexus(Giga Vexus). Plot 2. Galactic War. - Vexus' grab for power extends from Cluster Prime. - Various extraterrestrials and other characters from the series become entwined. - Giga Vexus is defeated by a united effort. - Climaxes with Vexus suddenly being depowered and the revelation that she was controlled by a source from earth. Plot 3. Endgame - Nora Wakeman is missing upon Jenny's return to earth. - Sheldon tracks the signal that controlled Vexus to a remote mountain region. - There is a hidden fortress with Dr. Locus. - Dr. Locus has Nora in captivity for the sadistic purpose of making her watch the fall of her daughter. - The fortress is assaulted all the XJ Sisters. - When confronted Dr. Locus strikes back with a Shell-type battle armor based on the XJ's with the addition of Jenny's armament. The XJs are no match. - The occurring battle takes everyone back to Tremorton, where Silver Shell,Misty, Vega and Skyway Patrol join the fray. - Dr. Locus is ultimately defeated by his own daughter, Melody. Ending- Graduation and conclusion. Connecting the plots: -The civil war on Cluster Prime was meant to get Jenny away from earth, so Dr. Locus can begin his plan. - The galactic war was meant to weaken or destroy any potential threats to Locus' plan. - During Jenny's leave from earth, Locus was able to kidnap Nora and begin creating his XJ-Shell battle suit. It could be JennyxSheldon( following Renzetti's intentions), but leaving those feeling ambiguous can leave it open for further fanon. The story can, or should, end with Jenny giving a speech reflecting on her life and looking to the future. Her words would make an opening for, and inspire, a whole new generation of robots and heroes, who ultimately would be our OCs, though we won't actually mention them by name. How to write it together: When Jessie and I wrote Requitted, we used AIM to post each character's lines and actions(I as Zero and she as Jessie). We took turns posting, and I combined each post into a single text file that made the story complete. It worked out very well, and the story was completed fast. We can definitely use the same format do do this, which each of us(who are participating) using single characters. Well, that's how I would do it. As for the plot I wrote, I'll leave that for you to decide. If you don't want to use it, I don't mind. It's just a suggestion. Well, I'll probably be cannabalizing it. It's a great plot, but I'm looking for something a bit shorter (because this'd be a trilogy or an extremely long fic. It's more or an arc), and I'm trying to incorporate a few other elements. I'll try and summarize it later, but I'm still working out details.
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Post by Hunter on Aug 7, 2009 21:52:50 GMT -4
It could just be me, but something about this idea seems unworkable. The tone of the show really doesn't lend itself to a grand finale. It's a lighthearted action-comedy. Epic adventures, dramatic battles, and romantic subplots simply don't fit in. If you're going to make a "proper" ending, it has to be like just another episode -- only bigger and awesomer. Basically, your goal is to write My Life as a Teenage Robot Colon Movie Film For Theaters.
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Post by Power9x on Aug 7, 2009 22:21:06 GMT -4
It could just be me, but something about this idea seems unworkable. The tone of the show really doesn't lend itself to a grand finale. It's a lighthearted action-comedy. Epic adventures, dramatic battles, and romantic subplots simply don't fit in. If you're going to make a "proper" ending, it has to be like just another episode -- only bigger and awesomer. Basically, your goal is to write My Life as a Teenage Robot Colon Movie Film For Theaters. You do have a point, but if it became bigger, it wouldn't just be the comedy aspect, it'd be the action aspect too. And in turn, the story'd have to have more structure to it, so really the question is how much is too much. That aside, I'm toying with backstory and side plot at the moment (which are the biggest pieces of trouble), but so far I've got this definate: Jen's shut down for a year or so. XJ-10 is built and unveiled. She's basically treated like a knock-off and in turn turns a quest to liberate machines into a Vexus-like "Enslave the Human Race" thing. Jen's reactivated along with the other XJs to combat the now rogue XJ-10, and in turn an army of converted robots. Jenny wins by using superior skill in battle, compared to the more powerful XJ-10, and saves the planet. She retires and a new generation of heroes form in Tremorton. Elements I'm considering adding (may or may not keep): *Cluster Civil War elements. *Jenny having to deal with her friends starting to grow up (something I've always wanted to see, but never actually have seen, done well). *Romantic subplot (debating this, or maybe making it subtle (IE: In JxS, she fights along side Silver Shell) *Inclusion of Vexus (1/2 of me wants to say she died, 1/2 of me wants to say "pulling of the strings")? *Sentient Robotic Shutdown Act (Think the Keene Act from Watchmen, but with robots like Jenny) *Resistance Force (Made up of Brad, Misty, and other human/metahumans to combat the take over) *Opening to OCs (Should I keep this just to close off MLAATR continuity, or lead into TRT continuity?) And thing's I'm toying with: *Timing of reactivation (Right when XJ-10 goes rogue, or after the fight against her is getting dire?) *Writing format (Probably general style, but script and comic form are up there too) *Length of Story (I may shoot for 5 to 18 chapters, depending on how detailed the story becomes)
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