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Post by drewmaster on Nov 30, 2013 10:21:42 GMT -4
Thank you TheRealBullet for that.
I haven't heard anybody comment on my stories in a good while. I also haven't updated in a good while either. Real life syndrome takes the fun out of a lot of things sometimes.
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Post by Zero on Dec 1, 2013 2:26:31 GMT -4
The show dealt with many issues that for the most part, the target audience couldn't relate to. And yet we have Legend of Korra? This may be simpler than what we're making it out to be. MLaaTR just wasn't a money maker. It was NOT popular. It wasn't great. I don't know how many fans there actually were, but in the grand scheme, we were few. I guess that would put MLaaTR on cult hit status. Boy, and I really liked Jenny too. In the fan communities early days, I felt that simple views were the best, and over-analyzing killed the fun and wonder. Maybe we should be more like that. Isn't that what counts the most? That WE love the show?
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Post by TheRealBullet on Dec 1, 2013 3:55:52 GMT -4
The show dealt with many issues that for the most part, the target audience couldn't relate to. And yet we have Legend of Korra? This may be simpler than what we're making it out to be. MLaaTR just wasn't a money maker. It was NOT popular. It wasn't great. I don't know how many fans there actually were, but in the grand scheme, we were few. I guess that would put MLaaTR on cult hit status. Boy, and I really liked Jenny too. In the fan communities early days, I felt that simple views were the best, and over-analyzing killed the fun and wonder. Maybe we should be more like that. Isn't that what counts the most? That WE love the show? While I can't deny that Legend of Korra is a great show in its own right, I can't help but think that it owes much of its popularity to its predecessor. While the scenario isn't much different with The Last Airbender, it had more of a universal appeal than MLaaTR that enabled it to become much more popular overall outside the youth demographic. But that is exactly the point; MLaaTR couldn't make the money Nick wanted out of it, so it was canned. Wasn't the first time, and it certainly wasn't the last. Perhaps if MLaaTR had been given the freedom provided by an older audience it could have reached its potential and been a hit, but we'll probably never know. For now, I guess it'll be neat to be able to say I'm part of a cult. Really all the show has now is whatever love we have remaining for it to carry on its legacy. Thank you TheRealBullet for that. I haven't heard anybody comment on my stories in a good while. I also haven't updated in a good while either. Real life syndrome takes the fun out of a lot of things sometimes. I know that all too well. Life tends to get in the way of a lot of things, but I guess that's not really a bad thing sometimes...
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Post by drewmaster on Dec 1, 2013 6:34:10 GMT -4
1. The show wasn't great. (XJ-0)
Once again, I agree......very very reluctantly.
2. Universal Appeal. (TheRealBullet)
Yeah......it's really too bad it didn't please a larger audience.
For me, the show was great based on the potential it had. I still can't stand the fact that it never quite reached it. It's precisely why people get desperate and write fanfics (like me) to see a continuation, even if the fan versions don't always make perfect sense. Now, for the literally hundreds of thousands of fanfics of Naruto out there and the show sees no sign of disappearing any time soon *shutters at the sheer magnitude of it all*.......yeah, it's hard for me to speak on that one.
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Post by swoop on Dec 1, 2013 12:02:35 GMT -4
From what I have mention from MLAATR games, they have no idea what to do with her. A replacement of a giant robot that nearly ended the world and they can’t think of anything.
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Post by Zero on Dec 1, 2013 12:11:25 GMT -4
Look at how Adventure Time is. I think the humor is clever, and the lore kinda pulls you in.
MLAATR just fell flat with it's jokes. They were corny, and maybe even obscure.
"What do androids dream of... Electric sheep?"-Nora Wakeman
Sure I got the reference, but a kid won't.
I definitely would have loved to see an episode about Nora in Skyway Patrol.
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Post by swoop on Dec 1, 2013 12:37:01 GMT -4
Jokes a kids won’t understand is ok. It is all part balance. Those are the things that make you look back at it and find new perspective. There were too many characters that did not get much detail or do much impact. Impact is the crucial part and from what i got from nik countdown. The series was known for Jenny the disco pimp outfit and Armagetdroid.
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Post by Zero on Dec 1, 2013 14:56:50 GMT -4
What could have saved the show?
It could have been "cooler". Her powers seemed more like plot gags, rather than being showcased as something amazing or inspirational.
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Post by swoop on Dec 1, 2013 18:36:42 GMT -4
Actually I liked the simple charm. It shows Jenny is practical. I would have liked if Jenny did Indiana Jones scene when someone shows off their sword skills. I did not like Skyway Patrol is useless. I know there is a need to make cops useless in most medias, but the way they did it by making them paper pushers make it easy to be angry. They are suppose to be the default defenders if Jenny is not around. I think I found out why Last Action Hero is hated.
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Post by drewmaster on Dec 2, 2013 8:29:38 GMT -4
I really can't get around it either regardless of how hard I try. I agree. Mlaatr should've been cooler with an actual plot. For some reason I just can't see it working the way it officially is.
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Post by swoop on Dec 3, 2013 0:40:29 GMT -4
Ninja, pirates, robots planetary battles and more I think it is considered a crime that they did not use it. They want to do the old fashion super hero hi-jinks like Superman playing the sax. A quick big impact could have been done on episode Good Old Sheldon, but they went for the status quo. I hate status que is god.
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Post by drewmaster on Dec 4, 2013 10:02:04 GMT -4
Status Quo. The Ultimate Equalizer. Whatever you wanna call keeping things within the zone of the usual familiarity stunts the growth and potential of so many great shows, games, movies and their sequels, etc.
I remember back when I was a Pokemon kid, and in that first movie, Mewtwo erased the main characters memories of that "really huge, EXTREMELY IMPORTANT" event all for the sake of returning things back to normal.
What I hated was how that event could've have changed the direction of the show, but because keeping it as kiddy as usual pleases the whole audiance, the status quo was once again enforced.
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Post by swoop on Dec 4, 2013 17:14:06 GMT -4
I have even scene status que done right. It came with a price and realization and the character(s) learns to cope with it. It is a little change but it is subtle. Garfield on the Town and Snoopy come home are good examples. The newspaper comic that adapted to cartoons are great examples. I need to get Garfield on the Town to have as reminder I did my deed of saying the exceptions, so let it be said I haven’t. I hate it because it is abused and used in a awful matter that it best describe as a horror flick if someone was ever stay out of the rut. It is a waste of time and enthusiasm for everyone, and questions the faith of any material before and after of that media when that happens. ----- By the way Drewmaster you saw the movie Mewtwo Returns? It is the one with the Nidoqueen babies. I am not making it up.
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Post by buckmana on Dec 5, 2013 2:49:19 GMT -4
I never had problems relating to Jenny because she is a mechanoid.
That's what I liked most about the series, a girl trying to fit in and not being accepted because she's artificially created. But the difference is only physical, Jenny was created to be a normal teenage girl mentally and in that one area Wakeman achieved success.
This is most shown by Brad's interactions with Jenny, to him, she's just the "cool girl next door" and he rarely acknowledges her artifical nature. He even says once "It's easy to see she's just like everyone else".
And it appears his parents share this view, since they have no hesitation about letting Jenny babysit Tucker.
Mind you, I was never a fan of how overplayed the gadget aspect of Jenny was.
Yes, I can accept that she can pop weapons out of hidden compartments, as long as they're of reasonable size. The reasoning I took behind this is that Jenny stores a series of modular metal plates inside her body and could assemble them into various shapes, then slot an energetic array inside the device to create a weapon or tool. I also suspect Jenny was composed of a living metal, which could contract or expand as needed, so the plates themselves are quite tiny until she activates them. The animation tends to support this theory, as the weapons will shrink in size as she retracts them.
But the thing I reacted badly too was when she did a complete shape transformation, increasing her mass to several times her natural size or adopting a shape which is not physically possible.
We know Jenny has an internal humanoid skeleton and she is wearing clothes, so the shapes she can adopt are limited by those factors. Particularly if it involves her legs, since she's wearing solid metal boots.
So, if I'd been in charge of the weapons animations, I would have said, okay, this is what Jenny can do, this is what she can't, work within that and don't go over the top. If you have a new weapon that is needed for the story, show me the design and if I think it's not beyond her stated limits, then you can do it.
Note: I don't call her a robot because she is not one. The difference is subtle, but significant. But I suspect that younger audiences wouldn't understand the difference between mechanoids and robots, so they just went with the popular term.
FYI, pretty much every mechanical character you see in cartoons are mechanoids or androids, none of them are actually robots.
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Post by CartoonDork on Dec 5, 2013 17:18:49 GMT -4
What could have saved the show? It could have been "cooler". Her powers seemed more like plot gags, rather than being showcased as something amazing or inspirational. Personally I rather liked the simplicity of it all. I honestly prefer a lighthearted tone in a show like this rather than a serious one. If the show had focused on the mechanics of Jenny or had long-winding exhaustingly serious plotlines I probably wouldn't have been as interested, especially since, honestly, the character of Jenny doesn't really interest me as much as the others.
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