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Post by Kyubey the Incubator on Jun 15, 2017 0:03:48 GMT -4
Okay, people have been asking me too much about this show, and I just have to say it STAR VS THE FORCES OF EVIL FREAKIN' SUCKS!!!!!!It's such a stupid and annoying and nonsensical excuse for a Magical Girl show! And people really put it at like the same level as Steven Universe and Gravity Falls? This show is terrible! It's nowhere near as good as them! Heck, I'd rather watch Problem Solverz than watch Star Vs The Forces of Evil, that's how terrible it is! And I can give plenty of valid reasons why. Well, where do I begin? -To start, Star is a Terrible Magical Girl show! She isn't very floofy and cuddly and snuggly and moe', and it needs more action! The designs are overly simplistic, half-baked and lacking in detail. -The animation in general looks so-so at best. It drags behind better cartoons that have come out years earlier, such as Gravity Falls, Wander over Yonder, Adventure Time, Regular Show, and Steven Universe. Just to clarify this show came out in 2015, and the others not too long before then. And the other 5 shows I've mentioned have had more style, substance and imagination in their designs and animation. -I find Star Butterfly herself to be amazingly unlikeable. Mostly because she's a disrespectful little jerk that never listens to anything anyone tells her. She just does whatever she wants and always expects no consequences whenever she does anything, she doesn't respect her mother, even though her mother hasn't really done anything unreasonable. (Oh no, my mom wants me to be responsible for myself and my actions! She's so mean to me! I hate you, mom!) And she is so irresponsible with her wand too, like in one episode, no joke, she waves it around and starts making dangerous explosions all over the place, Just So She Could See Some Freakin' Fireworks, despite all the damage it would cause or possibly getting people hurt. And she's supposed to be the hero?! In essence, I find her just as terrible as Fanboy and Chum-Chum, because she's just as detached from reality and has no sense of empathy. Also, her voice is freakin' obnoxious and nerve-wrecking, and I can't stand it. -The consistent apathy from the townsfolk whenever something out of the ordinary happens, it ruins the show's atmosphere, kills the suspension of disbelief and makes the idiots seem like bigger idiots. -The show has a serious case of protagonist-centered morality, where Star is consistently rewarded for doing bad things even though she has done nothing deserving of said rewards. More often than not, Star learns nothing on episodes where she is supposed to learn lessons. -Very bad relationships. Like for one, her so-called friend, Marco, Star doesn't treat much like a friend! Heck, in one episode, she openly admits that she only likes how "fun" he is, and would ditch him if he stopped being fun! That's how much she cares for her friends! -Almost all of the other characters are mindless idiots (Marco's parents, Ferguson, that other skinny kid that hangs out with Ferguson, Oscar, King Butterfly, Ludo, all of Ludo's minions except for Buff-Frog, Mina Loverberry, Marco's karate teacher, etc.) and if they're not idiots, then they're absolute jerks, especially that dang Glossaryck, or as I like to call him, @$$hole Yoda. -Not a lot of actual "adventures" happen in this show, the majority of them are just boring bottle episodes. Plus, there are numerous entire episodes where literally nothing happens (The episode, "Pizza Thing" was a prime example). They literally have too many episodes where they take something like going to get lunch and blow it out of proportion. -The overarching plot establishes very little and moves at a glacial pace, more of in Season 2 though, but still. -The show is not action packed! In fact, for that matter, Star has literally done no battles for the entirety of the second season! There you have it! -There is almost no sense of logic or basic common sense in any of the episodes. Especially in episodes such as Red Belt, Star on Wheels or Bon-Bon the Birthday Clown. And no, the presence of Magic doesn't excuse a lot of it. Having Magic Users in a show means MORE (Consistent) Rules, Not Less! -Most of the episodes follow the exact same structure. Marco or someone else tells Star not to do something and she does it anyway, and then when she makes a complete fool of herself, she expects people to help her even though she has no one to blame but herself, all while Ludo watches it all from his dark castle, using his All-Seeing-Eye thing. Most times, Marco ends up apologizing to Star even though he himself has done nothing wrong. Then Ludo sends out one or more of his random Monster-Of-The-Week Minions to beat her and try and steal her wand, and Star quickly dispels them simply with Girly Magic and Rainbows and Unicorns and stuff (that isn't action packed) and then he retreats and swears revenge and that's it! -Ludo is one of those "Rita Repulsa Knockoff"-esque villains, who have been done beyond all belief! (I use that term because A. Lack of a better word for this type of villain, and B. Rita being one of the most well-known of these sorts of bad guys, making it more relatable). He practically does the same thing as Rita, and other Rita-like villains (i.e. like Queen Beryl in Sailor Moon, Dr Hell in Mazinger Z, King DeDeDe in Kirby, Gibbs in Titan Maximim, Hawk Moth in Miraculous Ladybug, etc). He's so dull because of that, the type of villain he is has been done so much, it's not even funny anymore. I've mentioned this a lot. "But what about Toffee? He stole the throne from Ludo," they all say to me. -PSSH! Toffee was stupid too, and perhaps one of the worst Starscream-esque villains I have ever seen! Like, Toffee plan was to destroy Star's wand, rather than abuse its power like Ludo. That made no sense, I mean Toffee had nothing to gain from destroying the wand and would actually be in a more advantageous position if he tried to abuse its power like Ludo did. His plan itself was severely lacking in any sort of endgame, there was no explanation of why he wanted to destroy the wand or what he would gain from it. -That part in the Season 1 Finale of Star breaking the cage with her own power came right the heck out of nowhere and made no sense, even with the series logic and magic. SHE'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT! A huge A$$pull there. -The jokes Friggin suck eggs... end of discussion. -Overall, show itself is just a Miserable Excuse for a Magical Girl show with a candy coated dollar store ripoff of Gravity Falls added in. And yes, I know it's a kids show, but two things about that. First of all, a lot of the points aren't excusable just because it's a kids show (i.e. the Protagonist-Centered Morality Part and such). Second of all, I'd like to refer you to this, if you try that excuse on me. Something I like to emphasize a lot. So there you have it. Star vs the Forces of Evil is a terrible show and a miserable excuse for a Magical Girl show. And there's my reasons why! I hate it about as much as I hate My Little Pony, or Teen Titans Go!
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Post by Agai Lazen on Jun 28, 2017 19:00:09 GMT -4
Honestly, I don't think the show is that bad. My biggest problem is that the show kinda promotes a harmful message, but let's talk about your arguments first.
-"To start, Star is a Terrible Magical Girl show! She isn't very floofy and cuddly and snuggly and moe', and it needs more action! The designs are overly simplistic, half-baked and lacking in detail."
--Uhh, those are all your personal preferences, pal. I enjoy the designs, personally. Like Gravity Falls but with a bit of mexican flavor thanks to the large pupils, and the backgrounds are memorable and eye-catching.
-"The animation in general looks so-so at best. It drags behind better cartoons that have come out years earlier, such as Gravity Falls, Wander over Yonder, Adventure Time, Regular Show, and Steven Universe. Just to clarify this show came out in 2015, and the others not too long before then. And the other 5 shows I've mentioned have had more style, substance and imagination in their designs and animation."
--I dunno, man. While it IS true that the Cal-Arts inspired style is getting REALLY old, I've mentioned before that this show draws a lot from mexican style, and not just for the characters' pupils. The animation itself is standard, not bad in any moment, but few moments really stick out to me.
-"I find Star Butterfly herself to be amazingly unlikeable. Mostly because she's a disrespectful little jerk that never listens to anything anyone tells her. She just does whatever she wants and always expects no consequences whenever she does anything, she doesn't respect her mother, even though her mother hasn't really done anything unreasonable. (Oh no, my mom wants me to be responsible for myself and my actions! She's so mean to me! I hate you, mom!) And she is so irresponsible with her wand too, like in one episode, no joke, she waves it around and starts making dangerous explosions all over the place, Just So She Could See Some Freakin' Fireworks, despite all the damage it would cause or possibly getting people hurt. And she's supposed to be the hero?! In essence, I find her just as terrible as Fanboy and Chum-Chum, because she's just as detached from reality and has no sense of empathy. Also, her voice is freakin' obnoxious and nerve-wrecking, and I can't stand it."
--Okay, this one I agree with for the most part. The problem is that you CAN do rebellious teen characters right, Amethyst from Steven Universe is a great example of that. The difference between Star and Amethyst is that Star has gotten everything she ever wanted and more, while all Amethyst wants is acceptance and could go either way with material possessions. The worst part is that I used to like Star, she used to put boundaries on herself so that she wouldn't hurt her loved ones. By season 2? She has to be TRYING to kill everyone to do this kind of damage. Even Rick Sanchez couldn't cause this much accidental damage when he's trying to help, and he's destroyed entire worlds. Star can shove it.
-"The consistent apathy from the townsfolk whenever something out of the ordinary happens, it ruins the show's atmosphere, kills the suspension of disbelief and makes the idiots seem like bigger idiots."
--This is more of a stylistic choice, a sort of narrative shortcut. The same thing happens with other cartoons, like I have NO clue why the US government isn't in on the whole Gem Invasion situation in Steven Universe. May have something to do with why Russia is a giant crater in that show, though. I DO think it's kinda lazy here, though, since Star arriving in "the real world" and all the crazy things she brings with her doesn't cause greater upheaval. It's a trope in almost every fantastical show with an urban setting, and Star can't really escape it. It's especially bad with how Marco is supposed to be the "normal" guy, and yet everyone in his world treats him like he's crazy.
-"The show has a serious case of protagonist-centered morality, where Star is consistently rewarded for doing bad things even though she has done nothing deserving of said rewards. More often than not, Star learns nothing on episodes where she is supposed to learn lessons."
--Ah, I agree with this one too. Star hasn't survived off of the merit of her character. Star survived this long because she's the main character. Because she's the one with the magic destiny. Because she is the Disney Princess. Star hasn't overcome any major trial to her character, she hasn't been forced to try and better herself, and all her companions suffer for it.
-"Very bad relationships. Like for one, her so-called friend, Marco, Star doesn't treat much like a friend! Heck, in one episode, she openly admits that she only likes how "fun" he is, and would ditch him if he stopped being fun! That's how much she cares for her friends!"
--Ehh, I'm not sure that's how things are for this one. I actually do think Star cares about her friends and family because of how she's pained when she sees them harmed or in danger, I just think she's too stupid to actually act on that affection, instead focusing on her rebellious and destructive impulses.
-"Almost all of the other characters are mindless idiots (Marco's parents, Ferguson, that other skinny kid that hangs out with Ferguson, Oscar, King Butterfly, Ludo, all of Ludo's minions except for Buff-Frog, Mina Loverberry, Marco's karate teacher, etc.) and if they're not idiots, then they're absolute jerks, especially that dang Glossaryck, or as I like to call him, @$$hole Yoda."
--This is mostly an extension of that "dumb townspeople" trope from before. Glossaryck seems more like the mouthpiece of the writers as opposed to someone having actual wisdom, and Janna needs to be arrested for stalking and sexual harassment, but other than that, it's just more dumb townspeople.
-"Not a lot of actual "adventures" happen in this show, the majority of them are just boring bottle episodes. Plus, there are numerous entire episodes where literally nothing happens (The episode, "Pizza Thing" was a prime example). They literally have too many episodes where they take something like going to get lunch and blow it out of proportion."
--More arguing against your own personal taste. You know, when I see a show that goes against my personal taste this much, I usually stop watching it.
-"The overarching plot establishes very little and moves at a glacial pace, more of in Season 2 though, but still."
--I think you don't understand that this show is doing something that all shows have had to do lately. You just can't have a fully-serialized show that needs to be watched from beginning-to-end, you need to produce a number of "rerun" episodes that the network can syndicate. Every cartoon show in the last decade has had to do this, at least in the first season. Is it bull**? Absolutely, but that's just how the industry is.
-The show is not action packed! In fact, for that matter, Star has literally done no battles for the entirety of the second season! There you have it!
--Ehh, I dunno. I enjoy the action for the most part, so I'd say it straddles the line of mediocrity.
-There is almost no sense of logic or basic common sense in any of the episodes. Especially in episodes such as Red Belt, Star on Wheels or Bon-Bon the Birthday Clown. And no, the presence of Magic doesn't excuse a lot of it. Having Magic Users in a show means MORE (Consistent) Rules, Not Less!
--I'm gonna have to answer this one with another "ehh." Again, this extends from the "stupid townspeople" trope, though it's probably compiled on by the "it's magic, we don't have to explain it!" trope.
-"Most of the episodes follow the exact same structure. Marco or someone else tells Star not to do something and she does it anyway, and then when she makes a complete fool of herself, she expects people to help her even though she has no one to blame but herself, all while Ludo watches it all from his dark castle, using his All-Seeing-Eye thing. Most times, Marco ends up apologizing to Star even though he himself has done nothing wrong. Then Ludo sends out one or more of his random Monster-Of-The-Week Minions to beat her and try and steal her wand, and Star quickly dispels them simply with Girly Magic and Rainbows and Unicorns and stuff (that isn't action packed) and then he retreats and swears revenge and that's it!"
--There's nothing wrong with a formulaic show, I mean look at Power Rangers...though this formula isn't a very good one, so I'll give you that.
-"Ludo is one of those "Rita Repulsa Knockoff"-esque villains, who have been done beyond all belief! [...] He practically does the same thing as Rita, and other Rita-like villains. He's so dull because of that, the type of villain he is has been done so much, it's not even funny anymore. I've mentioned this a lot."
--I don't think this complaint very well-founded. You just listed several examples of well-remembered characters that do the exact same thing. Ludo actually rises above that stereotype because he loses the silver spoon that was his seat of power by season 2, and instead works his way to power the hard way. He's become threatening in his own way, because now under the magic powers and armies of monster minions there is a SURVIVOR who will do whatever it takes to take you down. Let's not even mention the season 2 finale, which upped the threat level even MORE. Oh, also, what about--
-""But what about Toffee? He stole the throne from Ludo," they all say to me. PSSH! Toffee was stupid too, and perhaps one of the worst Starscream-esque villains I have ever seen! Like, Toffee plan was to destroy Star's wand, rather than abuse its power like Ludo. That made no sense, I mean Toffee had nothing to gain from destroying the wand and would actually be in a more advantageous position if he tried to abuse its power like Ludo did. His plan itself was severely lacking in any sort of endgame, there was no explanation of why he wanted to destroy the wand or what he would gain from it."
--Well, maybe if you'd bothered to watch the season 2 finale, you'd understand. It's generally not a good idea to criticize a show for having lingering plot threads mid-season, because when the show answers them it just makes you look like an idiot. Now, the execution of tying these threads together can be criticized, that's why I hate Attack on Titan so much, but you can't criticize a show just for having some mystery to it.
-"That part in the Season 1 Finale of Star breaking the cage with her own power came right the heck out of nowhere and made no sense, even with the series logic and magic. SHE'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT! A huge A$$pull there."
--Because EVERY spell Star has is equal in power. They dedicated a whole episode to why that isn't the case, dude. Also, again, lingering plot thread mid-season. Classy.
-"The jokes Friggin suck eggs... end of discussion."
--...Yeah, you got me there. When a joke dies in this show it really f*cking DIES. As in the joke spends fifteen minutes on its death bed and we're forced to watch every second of it. Also, I don't really care for how the show makes a punching bag out of Marco because he's the logical one, bit of a staler version of Squidward jokes. The difference is that I actually like Marco. It's funny when Squidward is the punching bag because he's the stuck-up stick-in-the-mud, but Marco is a proactive, yet flawed person that I wish would dethrone Star as the main character.
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Post by Agai Lazen on Jun 28, 2017 19:02:19 GMT -4
SO, onto why I hate this show, and...I don't. I like the characters for the most part, the story is gripping and highlights some interesting dynamics of the universe they live in, and the supporting cast is solid.
It's the dumb characters that I hate. Pony Head, Star's father, and finally Star herself. Well, I hate Janna too.
I hate them all because their existence in the show has shown that it's okay to hurt people. It's okay to effectively steal someone's identity (including fingerprints and DNA) and constantly invade their privacy and steal from them because you're just doing it for sh*ts and giggles. It's okay to to almost kill your best friend several times over because you love them and yet never apologize for it. It's okay to cause wanton destruction of lives and property because you apologized for it. It's okay to try and kill one of your friend's new friends out of jealousy, because they'll bust you out of jail.
I don't think any of that is okay, I don't think that message is okay, and you shouldn't either.
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Post by Koith on Jun 28, 2017 22:28:42 GMT -4
I could grant you guys a similar anime like such scenario in this Star's Showcase: Bokusatsu Tenshi Dokuro-chan (or "Killer Angel", "Bludgeoning Angel", whatever English names calling to). Yes, it's just a moesh1t anime which had been ages ago before Star, but had the same scenarios and bluffs which we're stating here, except this anime was kinda a huge sexual harassment comedy and Dokuro was at anytime, always killed Sakura and then undoing with her favorite chant.
And thus also, I watched Star because I wanna find some mindless laughter to blow up some steam, after that I stroked my remote to better shows like TWD or GOT, and few bunches of tear-jerking anime. If Star was meant for a comedy, I think it's good. But for redeeming values, no I just changed to another channel.
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Post by Agai Lazen on Jun 29, 2017 0:51:47 GMT -4
I could grant you guys a similar anime like such scenario in this Star's Showcase: Bokusatsu Tenshi Dokuro-chanJust...no. No, Koith. No. Why even bring that up?
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Post by Koith on Jun 29, 2017 21:00:47 GMT -4
It's the iconic among all when we're talking to some sh!tty shows related to magical girls. Like, as I could say, Disney nearly stolen most of the traits from Dokuro-chan to make Star, a trying-to-be-edgy magical teen with her daunting task to...err..."combat the magical evil forces"...same mission of trying to intercept Sakura in creating a world which all females stopped aging at the age of 12.
Watching Star along with many of her undoings, simply recalled me to the days when Dokuro was doing to Sakura, well except the unacceptably high ratio of sexual harassments and brutalities which those psychotic angels done in order to rehab the one which Rurutia claimed to be a heretic against God's will. Of course this anime was poorly plotted to the point that Dokuro also reminded me that she was a pure walking representation of Ingsoc and the combination of Miniluv and Minitrue. With that, she could span her love within a whack of her favorite Excaliborg to eliminate all things she wanna do, sometimes even recklessly, like from killing Sakura moment after moment, to turning the classmates into animals; also, she could clearly un-person another classmate just because she wanna sit next to Sakura and nobody got an idea of how weird things kept happening to them, except putting all the blames on Sakura, because of those angels' trying to "rehab" him into a better person, and angels never be bad right? And yes, to the conclusion, that was all Star doing, most of those acts.
I was trying to write a doujin from it, showing to how real and dystopian context as it was, that Rurutia wanted Sakura to be killed because he was trying to stop death by stopping the aging on humans after having witnessed the death of maybe his loved ones (Shizuki and his children, perhaps, if everything was going right without those angels' interference). Without the fear of death, where could God be placed and worshiped, and where could he and the angels gather enough mana from chants and worshiping to survive on their own; which means any acts of atheism must be eliminated, and Sakura accidentally supported it (I don't even believe to the film that Sabato was showing to everyone, too. It's very easy to make a reasonable cause with Minitrue Rurutia). Fortunately for that original, as my PC gone messed up, all my data was gone, and by the day today, I just saw another cartoonized-Disney-claimed-version of Dokuro but being patronized as a magical princess. You know, Disney always made princes and princesses.
Thanks, Disney.
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Post by Agai Lazen on Jun 30, 2017 13:07:40 GMT -4
...You do know that the comparison is pretty damn flimsy, right? SVTFOE isn't trying to be "edgy" or "raunchy," it's just trying to be a fun show to watch, and I think it delivers on that for the most part.
Like Mr. Incubator, you're just arguing for your own taste at this point. If you find that you hate this show THIS much out of the gate, and it's all tiny things that just go against your taste, it's a better idea to just stop watching instead of putting more energy and effort into it that's better spent on something you actually enjoy. It's not like you're a paid critic and you HAVE to watch it if you want your paycheck, I imagine you generally watch cartoons to have fun.
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Post by Kyubey the Incubator on Jul 4, 2017 23:40:27 GMT -4
I could grant you guys a similar anime like such scenario in this Star's Showcase: Bokusatsu Tenshi Dokuro-chanJust...no. No, Koith. No. Why even bring that up? OH YEAH, I remember that show. I could definitely see the similarity to Star. And yes, I despise Dokuro-Chan too. Heck, I find Dokuro-Chan even worse. Another character I dislike for similar reasons (although I used to like her), was Haruhi Suzumiya from "The Melancholy of Haruhi." She is also a similar Magical Jerk who does whatever the heck she wants, always blames others, doesn't treat her friends much like friends, and gets away with it mostly because she is the protagonist. Despite my reputation with cute things, I cannot stand Haruhi. Star shares a lot of the same terrible qualities too with that dang Haruhi. -"I find Star Butterfly herself to be amazingly unlikeable. Mostly because she's a disrespectful little jerk that never listens to anything anyone tells her. She just does whatever she wants and always expects no consequences whenever she does anything, she doesn't respect her mother, even though her mother hasn't really done anything unreasonable. (Oh no, my mom wants me to be responsible for myself and my actions! She's so mean to me! I hate you, mom!) And she is so irresponsible with her wand too, like in one episode, no joke, she waves it around and starts making dangerous explosions all over the place, Just So She Could See Some Freakin' Fireworks, despite all the damage it would cause or possibly getting people hurt. And she's supposed to be the hero?! In essence, I find her just as terrible as Fanboy and Chum-Chum, because she's just as detached from reality and has no sense of empathy. Also, her voice is freakin' obnoxious and nerve-wrecking, and I can't stand it."--Okay, this one I agree with for the most part. The problem is that you CAN do rebellious teen characters right, Amethyst from Steven Universe is a great example of that. The difference between Star and Amethyst is that Star has gotten everything she ever wanted and more, while all Amethyst wants is acceptance and could go either way with material possessions. The worst part is that I used to like Star, she used to put boundaries on herself so that she wouldn't hurt her loved ones. By season 2? She has to be TRYING to kill everyone to do this kind of damage. Even Rick Sanchez couldn't cause this much accidental damage when he's trying to help, and he's destroyed entire worlds. Star can shove it. Yes, this exactly! Sometimes I actually think that Star is more of a danger to others than her enemies are. Since this is a Teenage Robot forum, Jenny is another good example of what Star IS NOT. I mean yes she does disagree with authority too, but at least she has a sense of restraint and doesn't do so much bad things like Star and gets away with it for no reason other than that she's the protagonist! Star, not so much. -"The show has a serious case of protagonist-centered morality, where Star is consistently rewarded for doing bad things even though she has done nothing deserving of said rewards. More often than not, Star learns nothing on episodes where she is supposed to learn lessons."--Ah, I agree with this one too. Star hasn't survived off of the merit of her character. Star survived this long because she's the main character. Because she's the one with the magic destiny. Because she is the Disney Princess. Star hasn't overcome any major trial to her character, she hasn't been forced to try and better herself, and all her companions suffer for it. Oh yes this so much. Glad we can see eye-to-eye here. The usual excuse I get is "Oh she's from another dimension and doesn't understand our world." Well that could've worked in the earlier episodes, but by now she has had plenty of time to adapt to our world and customs. I can't accept that excuse at this point from the show's own established content. -"Not a lot of actual "adventures" happen in this show, the majority of them are just boring bottle episodes. Plus, there are numerous entire episodes where literally nothing happens (The episode, "Pizza Thing" was a prime example). They literally have too many episodes where they take something like going to get lunch and blow it out of proportion."--More arguing against your own personal taste. You know, when I see a show that goes against my personal taste this much, I usually stop watching it. I haven't watched every episode, it's more like I just tried to give the show a fair chance. The way Star does this thing reminds me of stuff like Sonic Boom: Late Fees, and Spongebob: Waiting, which were some very bad episodes, and Star does this sort of thing a lot. -The show is not action packed! In fact, for that matter, Star has literally done no battles for the entirety of the second season! There you have it!--Ehh, I dunno. I enjoy the action for the most part, so I'd say it straddles the line of mediocrity. You call that Action? I want action like the big awesome battles you see in stuff like Code Lyoko, Digimon, Megaman, Sonic, TMNT 2012, Bionicle, Transformers Prime, Kirby Planet Robobot, and such (and all of those are kids shows too). Stuff with really epic and neat moves and attacks, cool block and dodge sequences, neat explosions, and brutal on-screen deaths and serious injuries and such! That kind of thing! I'll give them this though. At least they don't use Reused Stock Footage like most Magical Girl shows do (finally figured out the term for that). I mean practically every other Magical Girl show I've seen, the battles are not really epic, and merely consist of them playing Reused Stock Footage Attack Sequences (with an ambiguous void-like background so it can be reused easily), and that's it. Sailor Moon, Tokyo Mew Mew, Wedding Peach, Precure, etc, all of them are nothing but Stock Footage! Stock Footage is the Bane of Magical Girls, but I will give them the benefit that this one doesn't suffer from the Stock Footage curse that so many other Magical Girl shows suffer from. -There is almost no sense of logic or basic common sense in any of the episodes. Especially in episodes such as Red Belt, Star on Wheels or Bon-Bon the Birthday Clown. And no, the presence of Magic doesn't excuse a lot of it. Having Magic Users in a show means MORE (Consistent) Rules, Not Less!--I'm gonna have to answer this one with another "ehh." Again, this extends from the "stupid townspeople" trope, though it's probably compiled on by the "it's magic, we don't have to explain it!" trope. -"Almost all of the other characters are mindless idiots (Marco's parents, Ferguson, that other skinny kid that hangs out with Ferguson, Oscar, King Butterfly, Ludo, all of Ludo's minions except for Buff-Frog, Mina Loverberry, Marco's karate teacher, etc.) and if they're not idiots, then they're absolute jerks, especially that dang Glossaryck, or as I like to call him, @$$hole Yoda."--This is mostly an extension of that "dumb townspeople" trope from before. Glossaryck seems more like the mouthpiece of the writers as opposed to someone having actual wisdom, and Janna needs to be arrested for stalking and sexual harassment, but other than that, it's just more dumb townspeople. Allow me to explain this one better with an actual example from the show. This was in the episode, "Star On Wheels." In one part of the episode, she talks about how everything in her dimension is pulled by Invisible Goats. However, in the first episode, we see the King and Queen being pulled on a carriage by large winged (And Fully Visible) Manticore-like creatures. NOT INVISIBLE GOATS like she just said! See how the show contradicts itself? Even worse because this show has actual continuity where things carry over to future episodes. Another such example, also from the same episode, Star On Wheels. In another scene in Star on Wheels, Marco is told by Glossaryck to jump off because the Invisible Goats will catch him. Against his better judgement, he does and is SOMEHOW saved by an Invisible Goat. But this contradicts something from the EXACT SAME EPISODE, which makes it worse. Star just established that the Inivisible Goats are only native to her dimension, and not our world! How does that make any sense? See, stuff like this is too jarring, even for a show with magic involved! It's worse when the show contradicts things in the same episode. -"Most of the episodes follow the exact same structure. Marco or someone else tells Star not to do something and she does it anyway, and then when she makes a complete fool of herself, she expects people to help her even though she has no one to blame but herself, all while Ludo watches it all from his dark castle, using his All-Seeing-Eye thing. Most times, Marco ends up apologizing to Star even though he himself has done nothing wrong. Then Ludo sends out one or more of his random Monster-Of-The-Week Minions to beat her and try and steal her wand, and Star quickly dispels them simply with Girly Magic and Rainbows and Unicorns and stuff (that isn't action packed) and then he retreats and swears revenge and that's it!"--There's nothing wrong with a formulaic show, I mean look at Power Rangers...though this formula isn't a very good one, so I'll give you that. I really do not like Power Rangers, but I gues that's just my preference. I think what bugs me the most is that this sort of formula is too prevalent among Magical Girl shows. Magical Girl Shows like Sailor Moon, Tokyo Mew Mew, Wedding Peach, Pretty Cure, Miraculous Ladybug, etc, all use formulas like Star Vs does too, and I'm sick of it! And Star Vs is a Magical Girl show too, right? Maho Shoujo Madoka Magica is the only Magical Girl show I've seen that does not use this sort of formula (unless Railgun, RWBY, Strike Witches, and Black Rock Shooter count as Magical Girls, but I'm not sure if they do). Also this sort of relates to my problems with Ludo. All standard Magical Girl shows have a Rita Repulsa Knockoff-style Main Head Honcho who sits in their lair, usually watching them somehow with a Crystal Ball or something like that, then personally sends out a random bad guy after them each episode, usually to try and do something like steal their Magical Trinkets so they can take over the world, and I'm sick of that too. Sailor Moon had one, (Queen Beryl) Tokyo Mew Mew had a couple (Quiche and Deep Blue) Wedding Peach had one (Reine Devila) Pretty Cure had a couple (Joker, and The Dark Witch) Miraculous Ladybug has one (Hawk Moth) See what I mean? Okay, maybe some other shows I like may have had some formulas that I may not have noticed too, but like I said, even some of my favorite things have some flaws. And yeah, not a good formula for Star. -"The jokes Friggin suck eggs... end of discussion."--...Yeah, you got me there. When a joke dies in this show it really f*cking DIES. As in the joke spends fifteen minutes on its death bed and we're forced to watch every second of it. Also, I don't really care for how the show makes a punching bag out of Marco because he's the logical one, bit of a staler version of Squidward jokes. The difference is that I actually like Marco. It's funny when Squidward is the punching bag because he's the stuck-up stick-in-the-mud, but Marco is a proactive, yet flawed person that I wish would dethrone Star as the main character. Well the infamous "Squidward Torture Porn" episodes, as many have called them, are some of the worst parts of Modern Spongebob (and I know many who would agree), and seeing "Marco Torture Porn" is no better. I mean if the character had a good reason for it, or was at least somewhat deserving of said stuff it could work, but Marco has done nothing to deserve such treatment. Heck it makes me feel more sorry for him. I'd like to back this up with a quote from TheMysteriousMrEnter (although I myself also wonder why he likes it, despite it going against so many things he's said in his Animated Atrocities) From TheMysteriousMrEnter's review on Fanboy and Chum-Chum: Cold War" Squidward, I mean Meg Griffin, I mean Kyle. What the heck does it matter? They're practically the same character. You might as well call him 'Megward the Wizard.' Why is this character type so freakin common? I know why, because it's a mark of laziness. Actually yes, if you have a character who's sole purpose in the show is to be abused for no good reason, it's not only a mark of laziness, but it is an ADMISSION OF LAZINESS! If you put that kind of character into your show, you are admitting that you don't have the talent, effort, or wit, to design a worthwhile character. Because this problem is even getting into actually good shows too! And no one ever found it funny or compelling!" Followed with a message he put in it. " And yes, a formerly actually good character can delve into a 'Megward the Wizard.'" Like this, perhaps Marco can be considered a 'Megward the Wizard,' type character too.
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Post by Agai Lazen on Jul 6, 2017 2:02:00 GMT -4
You call that Action? I want action like the big awesome battles you see in stuff like Code Lyoko, Digimon, Megaman, Sonic, TMNT 2012, Bionicle, Transformers Prime, Kirby Planet Robobot, and such (and all of those are kids shows too). Stuff with really epic and neat moves and attacks, cool block and dodge sequences, neat explosions, and brutal on-screen deaths and serious injuries and such! That kind of thing! Uhh, not exactly the kind of action I expect from a show with such a hyperactive protagonist and themesong. Maybe we'll get something like that with the 2-hour movie special, since they really seem to be building up how high the stakes are. I'll give them this though. At least they don't use Reused Stock Footage like most Magical Girl shows do (finally figured out the term for that). I mean practically every other Magical Girl show I've seen, the battles are not really epic, and merely consist of them playing Reused Stock Footage Attack Sequences (with an ambiguous void-like background so it can be reused easily), and that's it. Sailor Moon, Tokyo Mew Mew, Wedding Peach, Precure, etc, all of them are nothing but Stock Footage! Stock Footage is the Bane of Magical Girls, but I will give them the benefit that this one doesn't suffer from the Stock Footage curse that so many other Magical Girl shows suffer from. -shrug- Honestly, I'm fine with certain kinds of stock footage. The original Megazord transformation NEVER gets old, in my opinion, and neither does GaoGaiGar's Final Fusion. If it's shown to make a point of something powerful emerging, I think it can become truly iconic. But yeah, it's Disney, so they automatically have more money to work with than, say, Cartoon Network or Nick. So you know there won't be recycled animation for fight scenes. Man, do you miss action cartoons? I sure do. Everything else is either a comedy or ambiguous adventure show. Allow me to explain this one better with an actual example from the show. This was in the episode, "Star On Wheels." In one part of the episode, she talks about how everything in her dimension is pulled by Invisible Goats. However, in the first episode, we see the King and Queen being pulled on a carriage by large winged (And Fully Visible) Manticore-like creatures. NOT INVISIBLE GOATS like she just said! See how the show contradicts itself? Even worse because this show has actual continuity where things carry over to future episodes. Another such example, also from the same episode, Star On Wheels. In another scene in Star on Wheels, Marco is told by Glossaryck to jump off because the Invisible Goats will catch him. Against his better judgement, he does and is SOMEHOW saved by an Invisible Goat. But this contradicts something from the EXACT SAME EPISODE, which makes it worse. Star just established that the Inivisible Goats are only native to her dimension, and not our world! How does that make any sense? See, stuff like this is too jarring, even for a show with magic involved! It's worse when the show contradicts things in the same episode. While I won't argue that point (again, I agree), it's kinda off-topic and doesn't really have anything to do with stupid townspeople. Stupid townspeople and stupid writers are two different things. I really do not like Power Rangers, but I guess that's just my preference. I think what bugs me the most is that this sort of formula is too prevalent among Magical Girl shows. Magical Girl Shows like Sailor Moon, Tokyo Mew Mew, Wedding Peach, Pretty Cure, Miraculous Ladybug, etc, all use formulas like Star Vs does too, and I'm sick of it! And Star Vs is a Magical Girl show too, right? Maho Shoujo Madoka Magica is the only Magical Girl show I've seen that does not use this sort of formula (unless Railgun, RWBY, Strike Witches, and Black Rock Shooter count as Magical Girls, but I'm not sure if they do). Also this sort of relates to my problems with Ludo. All standard Magical Girl shows have a Rita Repulsa Knockoff-style Main Head Honcho who sits in their lair, usually watching them somehow with a Crystal Ball or something like that, then personally sends out a random bad guy after them each episode, usually to try and do something like steal their Magical Trinkets so they can take over the world, and I'm sick of that too. Sailor Moon had one, (Queen Beryl) Tokyo Mew Mew had a couple (Quiche and Deep Blue) Wedding Peach had one (Reine Devila) Pretty Cure had a couple (Joker, and The Dark Witch) Miraculous Ladybug has one (Hawk Moth) See what I mean? Okay, maybe some other shows I like may have had some formulas that I may not have noticed too, but like I said, even some of my favorite things have some flaws. And yeah, not a good formula for Star. If it's any consolation, they shake up the formula a bit later on in season 2. We finally get an episode where Marco does something stupid! Well the infamous "Squidward Torture Porn" episodes, as many have called them, are some of the worst parts of Modern Spongebob (and I know many who would agree), and seeing "Marco Torture Porn" is no better. I mean if the character had a good reason for it, or was at least somewhat deserving of said stuff it could work, but Marco has done nothing to deserve such treatment. Heck it makes me feel more sorry for him. I'd like to back this up with a quote from TheMysteriousMrEnter (although I myself also wonder why he likes it, despite it going against so many things he's said in his Animated Atrocities) From TheMysteriousMrEnter's review on Fanboy and Chum-Chum: Cold War" Squidward, I mean Meg Griffin, I mean Kyle. What the heck does it matter? They're practically the same character. You might as well call him 'Megward the Wizard.' Why is this character type so freakin common? I know why, because it's a mark of laziness. Actually yes, if you have a character who's sole purpose in the show is to be abused for no good reason, it's not only a mark of laziness, but it is an ADMISSION OF LAZINESS! If you put that kind of character into your show, you are admitting that you don't have the talent, effort, or wit, to design a worthwhile character. Because this problem is even getting into actually good shows too! And no one ever found it funny or compelling!" Followed with a message he put in it. " And yes, a formerly actually good character can delve into a 'Megward the Wizard.'" Like this, perhaps Marco can be considered a 'Megward the Wizard,' type character too. I think the difference between pre-movie Squidward and post-movie Squidward is the fact that he isn't tortured physically. He's such a stick in the mud, such a stickler, such an overall prude that he becomes his own worst enemy. The comedy doesn't come from when he's physically harmed, it comes from when he mentally snaps. And again, Marco is NONE of that. Sure, he's neurotic and has anxiety issues, but he's only applied that to a practical level, never to the extremes that Squidward would. Hell, sometimes he's as irresponsible as Star is. It's just annoying that this show is pretty much "The Point-and-Laugh at Marco Show, Starring Star Butterfly" when it tries to be funny. Even if this show COULD make me laugh at Marco, I wouldn't want to.
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